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WELCOME TO NACBA’s 33RD ANNUAL CONVENTION!
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Thursday, April 24
 

8:00am PDT

Pre-Con: Intensive Bankruptcy Tax Workshop
Thursday April 24, 2025 8:00am - 3:50pm PDT
Join us for a comprehensive, all-day continuing education program designed for bankruptcy attorneys eager to deepen their understanding of the intersection between bankruptcy and tax law. In this intensive session, you’ll gain crucial insights into the nuances of discharging tax liabilities in bankruptcy—a complex process that, when mishandled, can expose your practice to significant malpractice risks. Learn how to navigate these challenges with confidence and precision, while also mastering strategies to give your clients viable pathways for tax debt resolution.  This intensive pre-conference session will help you master how to handle tax liens and the risk they pose in chapter 7 because the homestead exemption does not apply to the IRS. It will cover the various approaches to proposing chapter 13 plans, when to propose interest, when to file claims for taxing authorities, whether you can seek damages for a stay or discharge violation by a taxing authority, and how to get liens released after bankruptcy.
 
With expert-led sessions, this program not only equips you with the tools to prevent costly missteps but also empowers you to build a recession-proof law practice. Discover ways to leverage tax knowledge in bankruptcy cases to expand your service offerings, stay resilient in economic downturns, and create long-term value for your clients. Perfect for attorneys looking for a more in-depth understanding of how to deal with tax issues in their practice and stay competitive, this event is a must-attend for anyone serious about elevating their expertise in bankruptcy and tax law.
Moderators
avatar for Jenny Doling

Jenny Doling

Tax & Bankruptcy Attorney | NACBA Vice President | NACBA Board Member, J. DOLING LAW, PC
Jenny L. Doling is the Vice President of NACBA. She has served on its Board of Directors since 2018. Before serving on the Board, she was the NACBA State Chair for California. Ms. Doling is a California State Bar Certified Bankruptcy Specialist and a staunch advocate for Consumer... Read More →
Speakers
avatar for Arnold H. Wuhrman

Arnold H. Wuhrman

Attorney At Law, The Wuhrman Law Firm
Arnie Wuhrman has practiced tax and bankruptcy law for nearly forty (40) years. Arnie received his B.S. in Business Administration from Washington University in St. Louis in 1982, and his Juris Doctor from the University of California at Los Angeles in 1985.  A solo practitioner... Read More →
JT

Jolene Tanner

Assistant United States Attorney, U.S. Attorney's Office
Jolene Tanner is an Assistant United States Attorney and Chief of the Tax Section at theU.S. Attorney's Office, in the Central District of California. She supervises tax and bankruptcy taxlitigation in the Central District of California. She is also the Office's Criminal Bankruptcy... Read More →
avatar for Lisa Nelson

Lisa Nelson

Lisa O. Nelson joined the Law Offices of A. Lavar Taylor in 2013 and becoming the firm’s first partner in 2016. Lisa is a Certified Tax Law Specialist in California and has devoted her practice to advocating for her clients in tax controversy matters.Lisa specializes in handling... Read More →
avatar for Najah Shariff

Najah Shariff

Assistant United States Attorney, U.S. Attorney's Office, Central District of California
Najah J. Shariff is an Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) with the United States Attorney’s Office, Tax Division, in downtown Los Angeles. Ms. Shariff represents the United States, on behalf of the IRS, in bankruptcy tax and civil tax litigation matters in the United States... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 8:00am - 3:50pm PDT
Hollywood Ballroom Studios A-C Mezzanine Level

3:30pm PDT

Convention Registration & Information Desk
Thursday April 24, 2025 3:30pm - 6:30pm PDT
Come by the NACBA registration desk and check in. You will need your badge to access the sessions and to join us for meals provided.
Thursday April 24, 2025 3:30pm - 6:30pm PDT
Dolby Ballroom Entrance 5th Level

4:00pm PDT

Circuit Meeting 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH & DC
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
The circuit community breakout sessions will feature a review of recent case law from the Circuit Court
of Appeals, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel, Federal District Courts, and local Bankruptcy Courts within
each circuit, the application of state exemption statutes in bankruptcy cases, plus a review of local
bankruptcy rules and procedures, other recent practice developments and any other topic of interest to
consumer and small business bankruptcy practitioners within the circuit.
Speakers
avatar for Kristen Nardone

Kristen Nardone

Attorney, Nardone Law Firm
Kristen Scott Nardone is the founding member of Nardone Law Firm, PLLC in Concord, North Carolina. She graduated from Wake Forest University School of Law in 2001. She served as a law clerk for the Honorable J. Craig Whitley in the WDNC and Thomas W. Waldrep, Jr. in the MDNC. She... Read More →
avatar for Mike Assad

Mike Assad

Attorney, Sadek Law Offices, LLC
Mike Assad is an associate attorney with Sadek Law Offices LLC, where he represents individual and corporate debtors and creditors in reorganizations and liquidations in the U.S. Bankruptcy Courts for the District of New Jersey and the Eastern, Middle, and Western Districts of Pennsylvania... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
Hollywood Ballroom Studios D-E Mezzanine Level

4:00pm PDT

Circuit Meeting 5TH & 11TH
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
The circuit community breakout sessions will feature a review of recent case law from the Circuit Court
of Appeals, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel, Federal District Courts, and local Bankruptcy Courts within
each circuit, the application of state exemption statutes in bankruptcy cases, plus a review of local
bankruptcy rules and procedures, other recent practice developments and any other topic of interest to
consumer and small business bankruptcy practitioners within the circuit.
Speakers
avatar for Shayna Steinfeld

Shayna Steinfeld

President, Steinfeld & Steinfeld PC
Shayna Steinfeld, Board Certified by the American Board of Certification in both Consumer and BusinessBankruptcy Law, is a shareholder of Steinfeld & Steinfeld, PC, and practices with her husband, Bruce, a Fellow ofthe American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers. Her practice involves... Read More →
avatar for Theda Page

Theda Page

Attorney, The Page Law Firm
I'm the Reconstructionist™I help people who are going through difficult situations reconstruct their lives. The filing of a bankruptcy gives them the opportunity to get rid of debilitating debt and sets them on a trajectory for a fresh start.I have a side hustle selling amazing... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
Runyon & Laurel Mezzanine Level

4:00pm PDT

Circuit Meeting 6TH & 7TH
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
The circuit community breakout sessions will feature a review of recent case law from the Circuit Court
of Appeals, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel, Federal District Courts, and local Bankruptcy Courts within
each circuit, the application of state exemption statutes in bankruptcy cases, plus a review of local
bankruptcy rules and procedures, other recent practice developments and any other topic of interest to
consumer and small business bankruptcy practitioners within the circuit.
Speakers
avatar for Mike Maloney

Mike Maloney

Managing partner, Watton Law Group
Michael J. Maloney is the managing partner of the Watton Law Group which has offices in Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, Denver, Salt Lake City, and Little Rock.  Watton Law Group is one of the largest filers of Chapter 13 bankruptcy in the country. . Mr. Maloney was included... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
Beachwood Mezzanine Level

4:00pm PDT

Circuit Meeting 8TH & 10TH
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
The circuit community breakout sessions will feature a review of recent case law from the Circuit Court
of Appeals, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel, Federal District Courts, and local Bankruptcy Courts within
each circuit, the application of state exemption statutes in bankruptcy cases, plus a review of local
bankruptcy rules and procedures, other recent practice developments and any other topic of interest to
consumer and small business bankruptcy practitioners within the 8th and 10th circuits.

Speakers
avatar for Samuel Turco

Samuel Turco

Managing Attorney, Sam Turco Law Offices, P.C.
Sam Turco graduated from Creighton University in 1989 with a degree in accounting and from the Nebraska College of Law in 1992.  He represent clients in Chapter 7, 11, 12 and 13 bankruptcy cases throughout Nebraska and Iowa.  He frequently writes on the topic of bankruptcy law. Sam... Read More →
avatar for Jill Michaux

Jill Michaux

Managing Partner, Neis Michaux Law Office
Jill A Michaux is the managing partner of Neis Michaux Bankruptcy Law Office in Topeka, KS. She specializes in representing consumer debtors and small proprietors in Chapter 7 and 13 bankruptcy. Her primary focus is Chapter 13 bankruptcy. She has been board certified in consumer bankruptcy... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
Doheny Mezzanine Level

4:00pm PDT

Circuit Meeting 9TH
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
The circuit community breakout sessions will feature a review of recent case law from the Circuit Court
of Appeals, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel, Federal District Courts, and local Bankruptcy Courts within
each circuit, the application of state exemption statutes in bankruptcy cases, plus a review of local
bankruptcy rules and procedures, other recent practice developments and any other topic of interest to
consumer and small business bankruptcy practitioners within the circuit.
Speakers
avatar for M. Jonathan Hayes

M. Jonathan Hayes

Partner, Resnik Hayes Moradi LLP
I am Senior Counsel to RHM Law LLP in Encino, CA.  I have practiced bankruptcy law for 43 years representing debtors and creditors including litigation and appeals.  Most recently I took a two-year sabbatical and served as a Law Clerk to Judge Laura Taylor sitting on the 9th Circuit... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 4:00pm - 5:00pm PDT
Hollywood Ballroom Studios A-C Mezzanine Level

5:15pm PDT

Beyond the Discharge: Monetizing Post-Bankruptcy Credit Reporting Errors Through Co-Counsel Collaboration
Thursday April 24, 2025 5:15pm - 6:00pm PDT
The session will explore common credit reporting inaccuracies that arise following a bankruptcy discharge and discuss how law firms can effectively address these issues. Attendees will also learn how partnering as co-counsel in these matters can create a valuable new revenue stream for their practice.
Speakers
YZ

Yitzchak Zelman

Yitzchak Zelman is a founding partner of Marcus Zelman LLC, a nationally recognized law firm dedicated to protecting consumer rights. Yitzchak's practice is devoted exclusively to complex consumer litigation, with a particular focus on the Fair Credit Reporting Act and related federal... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 5:15pm - 6:00pm PDT
Hollywood Ballroom Studios A-C Mezzanine Level

5:15pm PDT

Double Digit Growth: Proven Strategies to Market Your Firm
Thursday April 24, 2025 5:15pm - 6:00pm PDT
This presentation and discussion will feature the latest data on marketing strategy, and the bankruptcy lawyers using these strategies to grow their firms. From the latest advertising trends, to digital marketing and the impact of AI on the legal marketing segment, you will hear proven approaches to build your practice.
Speakers
avatar for Reed Allmand

Reed Allmand

Owner, Allmand Law Firm PLLC
avatar for Deepalie Milie Joshi

Deepalie Milie Joshi

Attorney, Joshi Law
Milie considers herself a bankruptcy lawyer through and through. As a California State Bar Certified Bankruptcy Law Specialist, Milie spends her time managing her law practice - Joshi Law Group (est. 2011); teaching bankruptcy law to future paralegals, and advocating for consumer... Read More →
avatar for John Simpson

John Simpson

CEO, Convert It Marketing
John Simpson is the Chief Executive Officer of Convert It Marketing. For the past 25 years, John has counseled law firms of all sizes - from AMLAW 200 to solo and boutique firms - on marketing, business development and strategy. Prior to joining Convert It, John was the founder and... Read More →
avatar for Brian Yanks

Brian Yanks

COO, Convert It Marketing
Brian Yanks is the Chief Operating Officer and Co-Founder of Convert It Marketing. With over 15 years of experience in digital marketing, he has played a pivotal role in shaping the company’s strategy, scaling operations and optimizing paid search campaigns to generate high-value... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 5:15pm - 6:00pm PDT
Dolby Ballroom Salon 3 5th Level

5:15pm PDT

How We Generated 5,000 Paid Leads on TikTok & Instagram—Why They’re Gold and How You Can Do It Too
Thursday April 24, 2025 5:15pm - 6:00pm PDT
1. The Power of TikTok & Instagram for Bankruptcy Leads
  • These platforms aren’t just for entertainment—they’re goldmines for lead generation when you know how to use them.
  • We targeted people struggling with debt, using relatable, high-engagement content that speaks directly to their pain points.
2. Viral Content That Drives Action
  • We created authentic, short-form videos that educate, empower, and convert.
  • High retention + high engagement = the algorithm favoring our content.
  • Ads and organic content positioned bankruptcy as a smart financial reset, not a failure.
3. Turning Viewers Into Paid Leads
  • Every post had a clear call to action:
    • “DM us ‘debt help’ to get started”
    • “Click the link in bio for a free debt review”
    • “Comment ‘help’ and we’ll reach out”
  • We funneled traffic to our website and captured leads through an easy intake process.
4. Why These Leads Are So Golden
  1. They’re engaged. Unlike cold leads, they’re actually looking for help.
  2. They trust us. Our content builds credibility before they even reach out.
  3. They convert. They’ve been watching information on bankruptcy—they understand the facts.
  4. They’re not ashamed. There’s no stigma because they’re discovering the solution on social media.
Speakers
avatar for John Orcutt

John Orcutt

Managing Attorney / Co-owner, Law Offices of John T. Orcutt
Ins and outs of any and all aspects of building and running a high volume consumer debtor bankruptcy law firm...and anything else they want to talk about. LOL We do both Chapter 7 and 13, and prior to COVID, filed approximately 230 cases per month. I love what I do for a living... Read More →
avatar for Adrienne Hines (Baker)

Adrienne Hines (Baker)

Partner, KWHD&W
With almost 30 years of legal experience, Attorney Adrienne Hines has transformed "bankruptcy" from a daunting word to a powerful tool for financial wellness.Pioneering the digital realm, Adrienne uses TikTok and Instagram to debunk bankruptcy myths and boost financial literacy for... Read More →
avatar for Philip Tirone

Philip Tirone

720-System Strategies
Philip Tirone has a unique background in creating an emotional bond between a company and its target client base using non-traditional direct marketing technologies, powerful written-word strategies, and data analytics. 720 System Strategies integrates self-managingtechnology into... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 5:15pm - 6:00pm PDT
Dolby Ballroom Salons 4-6 5th Level

6:15pm PDT

Custom Ai Agents built to expedite Bankruptcy Law Casework
Thursday April 24, 2025 6:15pm - 7:00pm PDT
We will review how you can use Ai agents trained specifically to execute tasks in Bankruptcy Petition preparation like: Instant Document Review, Payroll Organizers & Income data extraction from paystubs, Deduplication of Creditor Data, Means Test Calculations and Exemptions in the petition and finally advanced Computer Use agents to file petitions with CM-ECF PACER portals.


Speakers
Thursday April 24, 2025 6:15pm - 7:00pm PDT
Dolby Ballroom Salons 4-6 5th Level

6:15pm PDT

Lowering Your Google Ads Cost Per Lead
Thursday April 24, 2025 6:15pm - 7:00pm PDT
David Chapman is the founder of Webrageous and has been managing Google Ads accounts for attorneys for over 20 years. He has a degree in mechanical engineering with aerospace applications from Brown University. He was part of an undefeated crew team his freshman year and is in the Brown University Sports Hall of Fame, used to work as a raft guide in Costa Rica and has a pilots license. He sees a cost per lead on Google Ads for his bankruptcy attorney clients anywhere from $10/lead to $115/lead depending on the location. About the Talk: Chrome will be phasing out cookies later in 2025. David will show you how to prepare for this significant change and maintain your Google Ads account performance. He will review members Google Ads accounts and show how you can improve performance. Anyone who wants to have their Google Ads account reviewed live during the talk can email David@Webrageous.com During his talk he'll tell you how to opt out of those pesky Google Ads representatives who never stop calling and emailing you.
Speakers
avatar for David Chapman

David Chapman

Webrageous
David Chapman is the founder of Webrageous and has been managing Google Ads accounts for attorneys for over 20 years. He has a degree in mechanical engineering with aerospace applications from Brown University. He was part of an undefeated crew team his freshman year and is in the... Read More →
Thursday April 24, 2025 6:15pm - 7:00pm PDT
Dolby Ballroom Salon 3 5th Level
 
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